Adam Kokesh has revealed himself to be an anti-Constitutionalist seeking the overthrow of the Federal Government, the Constitution and Bill of Rights. He has cancelled his DC March and is now calling for marches on all 50 state capitals in what he is calling a new 'revolution', demanding secession and abandonment of the Constitution and BoR.
I stand opposed to those goals and in a foxhole I'd have to stab such people in the neck.
That said: The DC March was a move to contact that would have forced America to immediately begin confronting the topic of unconstitutional enforcement of unconstitutional laws that is murdering the republic.
The 'Teachable Moment'?
If you called him an Obama tool and smeared the premise of the DC March as a false flag event he was putting together to give the "Fort Sumter" moment, you were wrong.
If the DC March was really a false flag, it would not have been cancelled. The entire purpose of a false flag operation is that it happen, giving the "authority" a premise upon which to act.
No event = no false flag.
Now the important part: Watch across the blogs that called Kokesh an Obama tool and the entire DC March nothing more than a false flag, and see if those people who blogged such and commented such will admit they were wrong. Particularly watch the treasonous "Not one more inch..." and "OathKeeper" crowds.
Most such people will simply say 'See, I told you so'.
Because their goal was never an objective assessment of the event or intellectual honesty.
Their true motive, in most cases, was personal gain. Liberty will not, cannot, be won by such people.
And if we cannot be honest, we do not deserve Liberty.
Kerodin
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"I stand opposed to those goals and in a foxhole I'd have to stab such people in the neck."
ReplyDeletePoetic license, I'm sure. Why would you be sharing a foxhole with someone you want dead?
Anyway, as Boston T. Party so succinctly put it, there were the Founding Fathers and then there were the Founding Lawyers. The Founding Fathers formally established the USofA in 1781. In 1789, it was snookered away by the Founding Lawyers. Few men belonged to both groups.
The Founding Lawyers laid the groundwork for what we see today. That's why the problems started so soon after their work was done---the fix was in, so to speak.
My goal isn't to burst dreams, but facts are facts.
Sharing a foxhole: Sometimes people only reveal their true intent and character in time - such as Kokesh and MBV. It is entirely possible I could end up with an ally who turns out to be ideologically unacceptable once he reveals himself.
DeleteI still can't buy into the Boston T. Party premise. The Constitution would work well as a guiding document if the people following it would stay in-bounds. Our current problems all trace back to usurpation that first became realized in Marbury v Madison - had we cut their throats and enforced the document from the first instance of abuse, "Maintenance of Liberty" I call it, we'd have very few problems today.
K
There's no "premise" to buy into...it's just simple historical fact. You mention Marbury; that was only 14 years later. The Whiskey tax was almost immediate. Wikipedia: "The tax was a part of treasury secretary Alexander Hamilton's program to increase central government power." There ya go, and there's plenty more evidence.
DeleteSure it would "work...if the people following it would stay inbounds." But on that basis, what wouldn't? IOW you're not wrong, but it says nothing about the Constitution.
I'm not here to argue against rights or rightful liberty or any of that. I just think that if we really want rights respected across the society, then we ought to know what the hell they are and what respecting them looks like.
Hey, I'm only pointing out the obvious---that we surely know what it doesn't look like. I happen to respect what I believe your imagination of rightful liberty looks like, but your lone imagination can't do it for 300 million people, not even coupled with my keen insight.
On the foxhole or watching your 6...personally I think you'd do better judging the other guy on his integrity, rather than his political ideology. But that's me, and I see only individuals out there. I suppose I'd settle for a guy fighting for some Higher Cause, but I'd much prefer a chap motivated by personal commitment.
"ideologically unacceptable"
DeleteBTW, WTF is THAT??? This much I can tell you with absolute certainty---there's not a soul on Earth whose ideology you can't accept. It's their ACTIONS that are problematic.
Of course there's a connection, but the two are not synonymous.
You're right - it is the action that demands immediate redress.
DeleteK
I'm having a hard time finding any info on the cancellation of the march of that he wants to scrap the USC or BoR? Got a source?
ReplyDeleteVideo on his facebook page, an interview. I'll look for the link in a while.
DeleteK
Gotta be honest. I have only been paying slight attention to the Kokesh gig.
ReplyDeleteBut I will reiterate, I do find the idea of an armed march on DC to be perfectly warranted and entirely within the right of citizens to do so.
It would need considerable planning though and brigade strength at least. Participants would have to understand that arrest, great bodily injury, and/or death could result. Such an act could also have significant historical implications and result in a great many self described patriots to get off the dime.
But what the hell do I know? Vanderboegh told me so. So it must be true.
Well, if Mikey said it, you are right, it must be true. I hope you are living your life with your head hung low in proper observance of His Majesty's rebuke. ;)
DeleteI think any event that will force people to engage in the conversation about unconstitutional laws is a worthy event. I am certain that an armed march on DC would result in deaths (because .gov simply can't ignore such an open challenge to their authority), but the conversation would be started.
And by conversation, I mean a wall-to-wall, knock-down redress of grievances that would be ugly, but is necessary.
I am still amazed at how many people will find any excuse to stay on the sidelines.
Stay safe.
K
Sam, I couldn't find the words to say it any better myself. You have hit the proverbial nail on the head. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Mayberry.
DeleteKerodin, I feel the exact same way. I dont like Kokesh, I am hard pressed to find any common ground with this man. But his idea is a great one. It will force the issue. It cannot be ignored. I do not choose to sit on the sidelines, I want this to happen. Not because I enjoy chaos, but because with out an action like this we will never get any of that liberty back.
ReplyDeleteBloggers on our side need to get behind the idea. State openly that they dont like Kokesh, but his idea is valid. We can use his crowd and his voice, we can press the issue. We can make our own moment.
Get on board, get others on board, I dont like Kokesh but the idea is valid.
All these bloggers talk a great game, all the commentators on these blogs talk a great game. They talk about how their liberty is oppressed every damned day. And when an opportunity arises, that offers a timetable, a location, and instructions, they claim that it is not the time for this action, or they dont like the organizer. No more excuses, that boot on your neck aint coming off unless you throw it off. Those assaults on your liberty aint just going to go away.
I dont care about false flags, any action that results from this march will only help, even if it is ugly. I dont care if the ugliness is bestowed upon me in that crowd as long as the patriots that stayed home saw what happened and decided to get off their butts and do something for liberty.
Kokesh II
DeleteCoward 1
DeleteNot sure I get the "Kokesh II" and "Coward 1" references.
DeleteK
Video: Kokesh video laying out his new plan. I am linking the youtube address, but you can also find it on his facebook page.
ReplyDeleteIt's more than a half hour vid, and I think the new plan is at least 10 minutes in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXjPoTc1bk0
https://www.facebook.com/ADAMVSTHEMAN
Historical events do not happen on time tables people want. In most cases it happens at the worst possible moment to a bunch of people barley aware of the historical significance at the time.
ReplyDeleteThis thing (Kokesh) was either an idiot or a well planned out government op (or a little of both). The "point" of the op was not to get people to do this or that. The point of the op was to watch information flow, identify foci of information flow, and find those were ready to get arrested now. In all type of possible future "activities" you want to plant child porn on these people's computers first.
If this was an op, they succeeded.
That is why I thought ... the worst possible thing you can do is get "face printed" getting arrested in D.C. illegally carrying a gun. They have an excuse for the rest of your life to deny you (and your family) firearms, watch who you talk to (more so than the rest of us). Also "marching around" even if it is 10,000 people will not change the situation on the street. Over 500,000 people have marched EVERY YEAR to end abortion. See it ending any time soon? I talk on my site all the time about how the Liberty movement can take some lessons from the Civil Rights struggle. It was not the marches that moved things (although that was a very important component). It was the lawyers. Remember the song, send more layers, bullets and money. It was the churches, it was the freedom riders, just pushing random businesses. It was all the artist who refused to play. It was enough of the masses.
If any thing happens, it will because the "low information" voter gets kicked so hard in the teeth, they react, most likely blindly. It will be a fairly spontaneous. It will be unexpected (really, taxes on tea pissed people off that much?) Something like they find out the government used the IRS to illegally surpress the organization of their political enemies to win the last election. No... that will not do it.
I know, perhaps if their checks stop coming. That ... now that will cause a lot of havoc.
What you do is the same thing you have done, get in shape, prepare, ensure you can survive on your own for an extended period of time. Teach your kids and family to survive. As the Good Book says, it will come "...as a thief in the night."
Unfortunately, to argue/advocate that patriots will absolutely know when "it's time", only when a perfect set of preconditions exist (for stepping off the porch, for taking to the green, to begin the process or restoring Constitutional rule) play a losing game.
ReplyDeleteBingo.
DeleteThe time will never be "perfect", but it will be "right enough" to kick off the ball.
K
You can't restore what's already gone; our Constitution required a morally educated population at least. How are you going to 'restore' morality to (minimum) 150 million zombies who only 'want theirs'? How will you restore the respect for private property to a population already conditioned for collectivism? Even if 300 'Patriots' all simultaneously and coincidentally went out to the green and dispatched 300+ socialist leaders, it would be played as -at best- an aberration in the media, and the collectivist march will grind on because the recipients of the stolen property demand it. The entire .thug industry depends on their vote to back their power. Figure out how to turn the collectivist crowd around quickly and we might have a chance. I'm not exactly holding my breath- the scale of this is too big, we have entered the times as described in the Good Book, the writer of which gets the last laugh.
ReplyDelete"Restoring" common sense and morality to the population of parasites is not the course to take - that would be futile.
DeleteThe winning strategy is to make those people leave, so that the remaining population is moral, productive and capable of embracing Liberty.
We pluck the parasites off our body and give them another host. How they leave is up to them...
K
Nice, very picturesque. We could have a "Name the Creature" contest. I bet "vulture" would get a lot of votes.
DeleteI can't see how anything tops roaches, but locusts come close.
Locusts is the most appropriate analogy for the majority of "humanity" these days.
Delete"I stand opposed to those goals and in a foxhole I'd have to stab such people in the neck."
ReplyDeleteLet's start over. I won't challenge your goals because I don't challenge other people's goals, except in broad philosophical terms. Since I'm not a hypocrite, I only care about their actions.
But watch this clip and tell me if you'd stab this guy in a foxhole. My point isn't that I agree with him or don't--not too many agree with me--but rather that if this guy isn't genuine and is some sort of mole or provocateur, then he must be the most talented one ever. So if you'll indulge me, I'm curious if you stand by your claim or are willing to reconsider. TIA.
http://zerogov.com/forum/index.php?topic=2651.msg16199#msg16199
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