How many blogs have you read that bullshit on today?
I've seen it from "SF" vets and LEO and "NRA Instructors" about how John Q. Public simply wouldn't have had the skill to "make that shot."
Fucking elitist idiots. Every time you open your fucking mouth with that garbage you support the "Let's make everyone take a course before they can exercise 2A" argument that WILL BE part of the post-election political onslaught.
You take ANY SINGLE MAN OR WOMAN in that theatre who cleared leather and started dumping a single-stack magazine at the shooter/muzzle flashes in the aisle and you would have changed his Laissez-faire attitude right fucking now and gave more people the chance to clear the exits. You just fucked up his shooting of fish in a barrel. You changed the paradigm. Then you reload, close the gap and kill him or he kills you. If you are still alive when you get to him, reload and empty your weapon again.
You want X Ring perfection, stay on the fucking course shooting paper and self-righteously shouting "EYE-PRO/EAR-PRO" to the guy who chooses not to wear glasses and muffs while shooting.
But don't you dare push the meme that "only the trained/best/LEO/vets" even had a chance in that theatre you pompous fucks.
20 citizens laying down a field of fire would have ended Holmes like Bill Nye's frog that has been dissected too much - a mushy cold cut. Yes, there may have been some friendly fire. Yes, it would have still been bad. Yes, shots would have gone wide.
I swear to All that is F'n Holy I hate you pompous "I'm a trained shooter and thus better than you" assholes more than I even hate the Constitution-breaking LEO.
You are supposed to know better.
You are just as elitist as the "Only Ones" with your state-approved carry permission slip in your wallet. You think you are Free? You think you are better than the guy who straps up in a No-Gun zone against the laws, and you know you do. You pay to play, and then you look down at those who learned to shoot from Uncle Tom rather than your beloved card-carrying NRA Instructor or Drill Instructor. You look down at the guy who refuses to ignore buying the permits to carry.
Your shit stinks, too - and worse than many Useful Idiots.
Law & Order fucks. You are 60% of the problem in this country.
Kerodin
III
;)
ReplyDeleteYep.
Miss Violet
The only training required is how to point and shoot and not question your right to do so. Some people have guns but no guts, some have guts but no guns. Unfortunately, the majority of people have neither.
ReplyDeleteBingo. No piece of paper is ever, ever required.
DeleteK
Can I get an AMEN?
ReplyDeleteI was telling my boys at the dinner table last night that the asshole could have been slotted by an armed citizen in that theater.
The lads mentioned the lunatic's body armor and I said, "Yeah, but maybe a guy could sneak up behind him in all the confusion and put one in his brain-stem and blow the contents of his skull into his gas mask! It would take some balls, but it's better than doing nothing and waiting on getting shot."
(Dinner table discussions at my house are epic for ruining the appetite)
Then I said that signs banning guns don't hold the force of law (in this state), and besides that, what people don't know won't hurt them if one carries concealed.
...and the last couple of times I was in a theater I was armed.
BTW Sam...I love it when you get that fire in your belly.
Congrats.
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/4384/copyofhaterlifetime.png
You even get the coveted Golden Pine Tree device.
Yeah, I call that Sam's ask no quarter, give no quarter persona, and I like it too. ;)
DeleteMiss Violet
Right on Brother!
ReplyDeleteChina
III
I had the same thoughts, an armed citizen in that chaos could have changed the dynamic or put an end to it. Cowards like that guy don't want to be in a fight, they want helpless victims. The proof is that he surrendered to police without a fight.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I am of the opinion that if you own a gun you should put forth the effort to master using it. I've seen to many idiots at ranges, had too many pistols pointed in my direction, and seen people who couldn't hit a target at 5 yards with the pistol they carry on their hip everyday. Like I said in another post, we can hope our enemies are inefficient but we should strive to be better on our worst day than they can be on their luckiest day.
...and the last couple of times I was in a theater I was armed.
ReplyDeleteYup, Dixie and I go about once a week and always sit in the last row and since I'm in the aisle seat, I command the theater. I CCW 100% of the time except in the shower, even at the beach. Good piece and posted.
You are so right, pompous fucks. Wife and I train much more than the average cop. We see the records at the range. Probably about 10x as much. Last class included team tactics for us. That for a couple of over 65 old fucks. Move and shoot, multiple targets, etc.
ReplyDeleteWe both carry 1911's and will continue to do so as long as our bodies will let us.
Terry
BTW, Another thing that really pisses me off is the local Barney Fifes referring to us as civilians. Those assholes are civilians too.
We The People have been called consumers, voters, civilians, and other things, but rarely if ever do you hear our "social betters" refer to the American people as Citizens. That would seem to confer rights and equality on people they believe deserve neither. It is an insight to their beleifs, and it pisses me off too.
DeleteOneEyedJack
So...the chest thumping and genitalia measuring irritates you as well, I see....
ReplyDelete:-)
Sometimes ya just gotta say it straight.
The armed citizen didn't need a firearm. Armed means more than firearms. A 3" SOG Automatic or spring -assist and a.citizen with the gonads to close with the enemy, would have terminated the attack. Alas, the people choose to be slaughtered like lambs. No one carried an "illegal" carry pistol. No one carried an auto or spring-assist folder, and no one had the courage to engage the assailant in close combat.
ReplyDeleteColorado sheeple being led to the slaughter. I would suspect the bulk of Coloradans have kept the same old statist politicians in office term after term.
Sad.
DAN III
Pennsylvania
Out of curiousity, what "SF" guys were claiming this? I've been bitching at people left and right that if ANYONE in the theatre would've been armed, and willing to take the fight to the enemy, this would have ended far differently.
ReplyDeleteAs for the body armor?
"Hips and heads, kids! Hips and heads. The bad guys ALL wear body armor." --John Mosby, in every fucking class I teach.
Not you, John - the last post I saw at your place was about the StormFront idiots coming your way. i'll try to track down the "SF" guy, I've seen so many today I'm bleary.
DeleteK
I know I could have landed at least a few hits out of my 7+1 9mm. And like virginia tech, why didn't anyone try to attack when he was reloading? I know, i know, it's different when you are actually there, but everything about this incident SCREAMS that this guy had VERY little training, so im guessing he wasn't doing 2 second mag changes, ( or clearing his jam obviously) something ak guys wouldn't have to worry about :/ sorry, had to say it.
ReplyDeleteOh, I knew it wasn't me. Wasn't concerned about that. I was just wondering what kind of SF (as opposed to SOF) guy would spout that shit.
ReplyDeleteYeah. I'm actually surprised the morons haven't been around sooner. Fuck 'em,
ND,
JM
Probably some "SF" desk jockey...
ReplyDeleteFucking A, Sam.
ReplyDeleteI generally try to watch my language when I'm a guest on somebody else's blog, but seeing as you were quite the pottymouth yourself.....
But I agree. How could anybody that was carrying a gun live with themselves if they crawled out of that theater leaving others to die?
LEO, the poorest trained , biggest egod thugs money can buy.
ReplyDeleteI'm having this same discussion with a cop on Facebook. I have posted a few of the nuggets on my blog. She is completly brainwashed.
ReplyDeleteI made a similar comment on another blog, talking about how all of us should be practicing head shots, they are easy at 25 yards (on a target standing still ;-) and I know folks who can hit consistently at fifty. I'm not talking mandatory training, I'm talking folks practicing simply because it's the right thing to do.
ReplyDeleteSomeone answered that "head shots are not recommended". A very nice guy, just ill-informed. There are so many people out there who own guns but don't practice for scenarios that are becoming more and more common. Body armor, a hostage, what is available to shoot that isn't behind cover, shooting _through_ concealment (which the fool assumes is cover).
You can buy targets that cover some of these scenarios, as well (http://letargets.com/estylez_ps.aspx?searchmode=category&searchcatcontext=%7e010000%7e010100)
Practice torso/center mass shots at 100 yards if you have a decent handgun. Do you want to wait while your ancient old ass runs fifty yards closer when some psycho is shooting women and children before your very eyes? If you don't reload, buy the cheapest surplus ammo you can and practice.
Getting some decent civilian/ex-military training is a good idea, too. Most of the cops I worked with (guys and gals who didn't spend time at the range, where the practice ammo was FREE for pete's sake) couldn't hit a barn door. Then go out and practice some more.